hello everyone

hi everyone how are you all

Hi Tom, glad to hear from you - welcome to the new forum - and hope your father is ok now. Very glad to hear you got your case adjourned for a few weeks which will give you time to get all you need together. How are your horses? Is the one with "arthritis" doing OK? Have you seen them? And is your vet still willing to go to court with you and back you up as that will be an enormous advantage to your case? I hope so.

Welcome to the forum mate.

Hi Tomand as others have said glad to see you over here.

Sent you a PM hope you can pick it up.

Keep up the good fight

Suddenly seeing loads of ads (1/3 page so rather expensive) inserted by everyone's favourite charity. Apparently they are feeling the pinch yet again and need £5mill asap or (and I quote) "Without more support, we'll have to say 'no more animals'". This is a strange comment from an animal charity don't you think? So what will be their role if they stop taking animals? What will they do all day long? They have dealt with 65% more abandonments (I thought they no longer concerned themselves with strays?) and inform us with more than just a hint of pride that they have also dealt with 24% more "cruelty" cases. Oh, I forgot to mention, they want the £5mill before the end of the year...presumably so they can increase their prosecutions even more. Get a few in before Xmas.

Moonstone, your comment on the other (old) site was spot on. The animals they take are those with caring owners, while the "travellers " are left alone as they dare not confront them. I believe it took two years and a hundred or so phone calls before they went to Spindles Farm (Jamie Gray). Not far from the yard I used to have was a woman who was what you might call "a bit of a rough 'un". She used to break into the neighbouring yards and steal tack etc, rugs and the like which wil tell you what she was like. Her horses were in notoriously bad shape but she NEVER got an RSPCA visit and is best friends with the WHW officer. She is still there with all her unwormed horse/ponies, and for why, because her liveries are pretty big and menacing looking. I went in there once and never saw people like them...if the Devil could cast his net, as they say. But you bet that she will never have a horse removed from her place as RSPCA and WHW would not get involved. And re the break-ins, despite giving evidence to the Police that it was she who had burgled us they said "not enough proof", She left her car number plate in the yard as if that was not proof positive, (knocked the gatepost). Like you say, there is a certain type of person who gets away with it as no-one wants to confront them...including the Police.

I think we need to find a way to get this forum out to a wider audience .. any ideas?

have any of yous got facebook could put it on there or maybe on horse sites ? i dont know lol

Ask SHG to put it on their website
Ask the Animal Welfare Solicitors to be involved - they may pick up even more business - SHG can tell you the ones specialising in this
Also there is another site cant remember its name but if you search for RSPCA bully boy tactics you should find them - get an advert for the site on there??

millie1* wrote:Ask SHG to put it on their website
Ask the Animal Welfare Solicitors to be involved - they may pick up even more business - SHG can tell you the ones specialising in this
Also there is another site cant remember its name but if you search for RSPCA bully boy tactics you should find them - get an advert for the site on there??

Who is SHG?

Good morning Basil.
SHG is, I think, Self Help Group who have useful info re. helpful and sympathetic solicitors etc who can point you in the right direction. My solicitors were the pits, and from day one more or less said no-one can beat the RSPCA, resign yourself to being deprived of horse etc. They did not even want to see me in person, said it wasn't necessary. Think SHG have info (a bit like Citizens' Advice) which RSPCA victims might find useful. I stand to be corrected on this and no doubt Millie will reply as and when.
Just for the record, saw a World Horse Wefare press release a while before my case in which it stated that a former BARRISTER had just lost his case with them and been nobbled with £10k costs for his two horses; he was deprived of his horses too, of course. Any lawyer you DO use really has to specialise in RSPCA cases...people like Nigel Weller for example.
One thing I did find strange, in a full-of-mistakes press release, they talked about "one of my horses". In fact I only had one. But if they really thought I had two why did they not bother to examine the second one? "It" could have been starving to death somewhere just waiting for them to rescue it.

Yes TB the SHG is the self help group - I found them by accident on the web - their site is [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] they are a mine of useful information including lists of solicitors, vets etc all experienced in dealing with RSPCA. Many vets are reluctant to stand up against them, so dont even bank on yur own vet supporting you - the RSPCA are known to complain to Royal Vet College if a vet stands up against them. The SHG may allow a link to this forum on their site (likewise other sites previously mentioned), sadly we dont normally get in touch with them until already embroilled with the RSPCA. However, people need to be aware BEFORE this begins and I have no clue how you can get that out there - most publications also carry ads by RSPCA and their associates so not sure they would help.
The SHG are worth a call to get any advice and may know of other ways you can get this site out there. Also if you know anyone techie that can get your site listed high up in google etc using all sorts of search criteria would help you.
Got to go now but I will think on and see if I can come up with anything else

I think the other site that Millie may have in mind is one which I found also by chance, and as she says, the unfortunate thing is that you need to know in advance the type of organisation you are dealing with and most people don't. When a barrister loses his case against them you realise that you have to be pretty sharp. Most people believe in the "justice" of our legal system but...
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Strange how all the sites contain the word "injustice". Does anyone know what percent of cases actually WIN their cases against the RSPCA? I know it's very very low, simply because they have everything stitched up. Their solicitors charge a minimum of £175 an hour...plus travelling time!

The reported percentage of wins by the public in 2011 was 1.8% in the magistrates court. Of thoses that chose to appeal the decision and go to Crown court 55% of those appeals were successful. (These are the figures published by both RSPCA and SHG) so as you say a tiny number!

The only way to stop them is stop the funding (donations at local shelters are used by local shelters but they also have to PAY the RSPCA for use of the logo), any donations in response to national adverts go direct into headquarters to fund their never ending persecutions.

Does anyone know anyone or have any contacts in the national press/media???

Need to get sites coming up in Google etc in the first 10 by using the right 'words' in the right places. I dont have time right now but I do know there is a way.

Just hoping for an update on your predicament!

hi yes i have contacted nigel weller he is now my solicitor as the one i had before i found out by nigel that it was his first case i wasnt happy but i am now i have spoken to nigel he thinks i hve a very good case and find somethings very intresting how are you all anyway did yous have a good newyer

Delighted to hear that you have got Nigel gunning for you as he knows what he is talking about. If you GOOGLE his name, you will see that he has written a lot of articles which are well worth reading.. You are right...most lawyers have no idea how the RSPCA works. Mine were a waste of space entirely but I have no doubt they got well-paid as I got Legal Aid. All Nigel does, I believe, are RSPCA cases and he does Legal Aid cases. Are they still trying to get you for your fencing?
Sorry to hear about your big horse. Make sure you have no money in the bank and no property thay can take a charge on!!

Happy New Year¬